With all of the postings saying "I can unlock your Nokia phone", do these
unlockers provide all of the codes? Before I send them $$$, can they
completely unlock an AT&T Nokia 3650 for use on *any* GSM network?

Thanks.

Gary

"Eric B." <drrydet@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:voh0dlsh7sbjc3@corp.supernews.com...
> Good luck gary, ATTWS will never give you any unlock codes for any of
> the phones they offer, they dont have the codes to give out. the phones
> are locked period end of coversation. There is no way to "get" them due
> to the fact if you look in the terms and conditions under paragraph D
> you will see the attws phones are just that.....attws phones and are for
> use strictly on attws network. good luck on trying to make a buck
>
> "Gary" <unidentified@127.0.0.1> wrote in article
> <hjIhb.6545$dn6.4273@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink. net>:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I will be receiving a free Nokia phone (option for either TDMA or GSM)
> > as part of an AT&T promotion. As I already have a working cell phone,
> > I don't need the free phone so I plan on selling it on ebay. Please
tell me
> > if there are any codes I need to get from AT&T before I can sell this
> > phone. Do AT&T phone have a Master Subsidy Lock? Will they give
> > me static for asking for these codes? Is there a way to get them if
they
> > won't give them to me?
> >
> > Thanks for your anticipated help.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> > news:BSKdndBQj8fr3xqiXTWJkQ@lmi.net...
> > > In alt.cellular Gary <unidentified@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > > > I will be receiving a free Nokia 3560 phone as part of an AT&T
> > promotion.
> > > > As I already have a working cell phone, I don't need the free phone
so I
> > > > plan on selling it on ebay. Please tell me if there are any codes I
> > need to
> > > > get from AT&T before I can sell this phone. (Will they give me
static
> > for
> > > > asking for these codes?)
> > > >
> > > > Excuse my ignorance... what is meant by "locked"? Can this brand
new
> > phone
> > > > out-of-the-box be locked? Is it possible that the phone is
restricted
> > for
> > > > use only with AT&T?
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary...
> > >
> > > The 3560 should work on any TDMA network - I believe it is a
tri-mode
> > > phone. That means it will work on Cingular's legacy network -- like
> > AT&T,
> > > they are moving to GSM but most of their network is TDMA.
> > >
> > > The following networks run TDMA...
> > >
> > > ** Most of Cingular, except for a few BellSouth markets that were
GSM,
> > > and except for the former Pacific Bell Wireless markets which
were
> > also
> > > GSM.
> > >
> > > ** Most of the CellularONE networks, with the one notable exception
of
> > > the C1 properties owned by Western Wireless.
> > >
> > > ** US Cellular Corp... probably, anyhow. They're moving to CDMA but
they
> > > may still have their TDMA network up and running.
> > >
> > > ** Assorted smaller carriers.
> > >
> > > Your buyer would be out of luck if he uses...
> > >
> > > ** Verizon, Sprint, Qwest/USWest, Western Wireless C1, MetroPCS,
> > Cricket,
> > > Northcoast PCS, or Alltel. They all use CDMA.
> > >
> > > ** Nextel, which uses a protocol based on TDMA but (as far as I
know) is
> > > incompatible.
> > >
> > > ** US Cellular, if they no longer activate TDMA phones.
> > >
> > > ** T-Mobile. T-Mobile uses GSM.
> > >
> > > ** The Cingular properties which used to be BellSouth DCS or Pacific
> > Bell
> > > Wireless (a couple Cingular markets in the south, and basically
all
> > > across the west coast) which have always been GSM. There was
never
> > any
> > > Pacific Bell/Cingular TDMA coverage on the West Coast.
> > >
> > > These are all the major US carriers. There are a few Canadian
carriers, I
> > > believe, that run TDMA too.
> > >
> > > Now, to answer your latest question: yes. Some providers lock their
phones
> > > so that you can't reprogram them to run on another company's network.
The
> > > lock code is called the Master Subsidy Lock. You may be able to
> > social-engineer
> > > it out of AT&T if the phone is indeed locked. Verizon and Alltel don't
> > lock
> > > their phones, but most of the other carriers do.
> > >
> > > Note that the buyer is going to be screwed if their carrier doesn't
allow
> > > them to activate phones from another carrier, and this is another
policy
> > that
> > > some of the carriers do have. It's on the buyer to make sure that
their
> > carrier
> > > will allow another company's phones on their network.
> > >
> > > Anyhow, if there is an MSL, you won't be able to do over-the-air or
manual
> > > reprogramming to put basic stuff like the System ID and new telephone
> > number
> > > into the phone. I don't know if AT&T locks their phones, though I
suspect
> > > they do. Your best bet is to ask over in alt.cellular.attws.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps. Feel free to quote this post verbatim when needed. :>
> > >
> > > --
> > > JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
> > > 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
> > > Steve Sobol, Proprietor
> > > 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
> >
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:29:18 GMT, "Gary" <unidentified@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>With all of the postings saying "I can unlock your Nokia phone", do these
>unlockers provide all of the codes? Before I send them $$$, can they
>completely unlock an AT&T Nokia 3650 for use on *any* GSM network?

Go to: http://www.uniquephones.com and register (registration is
free). After you register with uniquephones.com go to
http://www.uniquephones.com/dct4/ and you will be able to use the
first link where you can just put in your operator (AT&T 31038), model
(Nokia 3650) and the IMEI (*#06#) 7 codes will be generated. It's
likely that you'll only have to use code #7. You'll enter the code
and if successful you'll get the message "SIM restriction off." The
codes generated will be in the form #pw+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx+ either
1/2/3/4/5/6 or 7 followed by #. To get the p character key * three
times rapidly. To get the w character key * four times rapidly. If
after entering the code on your phone you get the message "code error"
stop! You have entered a wrong code. After multiple entries of the
wrong code your phone cannot be unlocked with codes and you'll have to
have it flashed to unlock it.

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Thank you for the detailed help in unlocking my phone! From what I see, it
worked as you said. I received the "SIM restriction off" message! I
appreciate your help!

So what does that mean now? Please let me know...

1) What can I now do with this unlocked phone that I couldn't do before?
2) Was it legal for me to unlock my phone?
3) Do I have to worry about anything - returning it to my carrier for
repairs, trade-in, selling it, etc?
4) Was the website I accessed providing an illegal service? How did they
get the program that generates these proprietary codes? (The registration
agreement sounded like it's trying to prevent the website owner for being
liable for illegal activity. - "If you are affiliated with any government,
police, investigative, Nokia Corp., or any other cellular manufacture
company or cellular network or a cellular distribution company or group, or
any other related group, or were formally a worker of one, related to one,
in close contact with one you CANNOT enter or download files from this
Website...")

BTW: What do you mean when you say if I made too many errors entering the
access code, the phone would have to be flashed? How would I get it
flashed? Could I do it myself? And would that be legal for me to do?

Thanks again for your help!

Gary

"Group Special Mobile" <look@signature_to.reply> wrote in message
news:vaqiovsjn514q8q131ucije4oledjak4q5@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:29:18 GMT, "Gary" <unidentified@127.0.0.1>
> wrote:
>
> >With all of the postings saying "I can unlock your Nokia phone", do these
> >unlockers provide all of the codes? Before I send them $$$, can they
> >completely unlock an AT&T Nokia 3650 for use on *any* GSM network?
>
> Go to: http://www.uniquephones.com and register (registration is
> free). After you register with uniquephones.com go to
> http://www.uniquephones.com/dct4/ and you will be able to use the
> first link where you can just put in your operator (AT&T 31038), model
> (Nokia 3650) and the IMEI (*#06#) 7 codes will be generated. It's
> likely that you'll only have to use code #7. You'll enter the code
> and if successful you'll get the message "SIM restriction off." The
> codes generated will be in the form #pw+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx+ either
> 1/2/3/4/5/6 or 7 followed by #. To get the p character key * three
> times rapidly. To get the w character key * four times rapidly. If
> after entering the code on your phone you get the message "code error"
> stop! You have entered a wrong code. After multiple entries of the
> wrong code your phone cannot be unlocked with codes and you'll have to
> have it flashed to unlock it.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> To send an email reply send to
> GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com

BTW,

You said to use code #7 What were the other 6 codes for?

Thanks again!

Gary

"Gary" <unidentified@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:2niib.8583$dn6.7727@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Thank you for the detailed help in unlocking my phone! From what I see,
it
> worked as you said. I received the "SIM restriction off" message! I
> appreciate your help!
>
> So what does that mean now? Please let me know...
>
> 1) What can I now do with this unlocked phone that I couldn't do before?
> 2) Was it legal for me to unlock my phone?
> 3) Do I have to worry about anything - returning it to my carrier for
> repairs, trade-in, selling it, etc?
> 4) Was the website I accessed providing an illegal service? How did they
> get the program that generates these proprietary codes? (The registration
> agreement sounded like it's trying to prevent the website owner for being
> liable for illegal activity. - "If you are affiliated with any
government,
> police, investigative, Nokia Corp., or any other cellular manufacture
> company or cellular network or a cellular distribution company or group,
or
> any other related group, or were formally a worker of one, related to one,
> in close contact with one you CANNOT enter or download files from this
> Website...")
>
> BTW: What do you mean when you say if I made too many errors entering the
> access code, the phone would have to be flashed? How would I get it
> flashed? Could I do it myself? And would that be legal for me to do?
>
> Thanks again for your help!
>
> Gary
>
> "Group Special Mobile" <look@signature_to.reply> wrote in message
> news:vaqiovsjn514q8q131ucije4oledjak4q5@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:29:18 GMT, "Gary" <unidentified@127.0.0.1>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >With all of the postings saying "I can unlock your Nokia phone", do
these
> > >unlockers provide all of the codes? Before I send them $$$, can they
> > >completely unlock an AT&T Nokia 3650 for use on *any* GSM network?
> >
> > Go to: http://www.uniquephones.com and register (registration is
> > free). After you register with uniquephones.com go to
> > http://www.uniquephones.com/dct4/ and you will be able to use the
> > first link where you can just put in your operator (AT&T 31038), model
> > (Nokia 3650) and the IMEI (*#06#) 7 codes will be generated. It's
> > likely that you'll only have to use code #7. You'll enter the code
> > and if successful you'll get the message "SIM restriction off." The
> > codes generated will be in the form #pw+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx+ either
> > 1/2/3/4/5/6 or 7 followed by #. To get the p character key * three
> > times rapidly. To get the w character key * four times rapidly. If
> > after entering the code on your phone you get the message "code error"
> > stop! You have entered a wrong code. After multiple entries of the
> > wrong code your phone cannot be unlocked with codes and you'll have to
> > have it flashed to unlock it.
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > To send an email reply send to
> > GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com
>
>

Gary wrote:
> Thank you for the detailed help in unlocking my phone! From what I see, it
> worked as you said. I received the "SIM restriction off" message! I
> appreciate your help!
>
> So what does that mean now? Please let me know...
>
> 1) What can I now do with this unlocked phone that I couldn't do before?

You can use an unlocked phone on other carriers. For example, an AT&T
phone that is locked cannot be activated with a Cingular or T-Mobile SIM
until it is unlocked.

> 2) Was it legal for me to unlock my phone?

Through the website, no. It depends on the carrier, but most will
release the lock code to you if you request it (such as a T-Mobile
customer moving into a service area with only Unicel services, that way
the same phone could be used with a new SIM).

> 3) Do I have to worry about anything - returning it to my carrier for
> repairs, trade-in, selling it, etc?

Probably not. Their documentation is not always the greatest. If it
worked, you could say you called in with another problem, and they
provided you the lock code.

> 4) Was the website I accessed providing an illegal service? How did they
> get the program that generates these proprietary codes? (The registration
> agreement sounded like it's trying to prevent the website owner for being
> liable for illegal activity. - "If you are affiliated with any government,
> police, investigative, Nokia Corp., or any other cellular manufacture
> company or cellular network or a cellular distribution company or group, or
> any other related group, or were formally a worker of one, related to one,
> in close contact with one you CANNOT enter or download files from this
> Website...")

Technically, it is illegal to unlock your phone without the co-operation
of your service provider. In reality, what are they going to do? Do
you think they'll take you to court (even if they find out)? I think
there are far more serious problems in this world than unlocking a
single phone.


> BTW: What do you mean when you say if I made too many errors entering the
> access code, the phone would have to be flashed? How would I get it
> flashed? Could I do it myself? And would that be legal for me to do?

It is similar to trying to access an online bank account with a bad
password. The unlock code is a password to use the phone with another
company. If you try the wrong password too many times, you will have to
call the bank and have the account reset. If you try an unlock code too
many times you will have to take the phone to AT&T and have them flash
(reset and/or update) the phone. It is possible to flash a phone
yourself, but very difficult. AT&T would probably be willing to do it.
If AT&T flashes your phone, it is perfectly legal. If you flash it,
again it is technically illegal but they probably won't find out, and
they probably wouldn't do anything. I think they'd rather invest their
money into GSM expansion rather than prosecute a few phone flashers.

News Reader 2003

> Thanks again for your help!
>
> Gary
>
> "Group Special Mobile" <look@signature_to.reply> wrote in message
> news:vaqiovsjn514q8q131ucije4oledjak4q5@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:29:18 GMT, "Gary" <unidentified@127.0.0.1>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>With all of the postings saying "I can unlock your Nokia phone", do these
>>>unlockers provide all of the codes? Before I send them $$$, can they
>>>completely unlock an AT&T Nokia 3650 for use on *any* GSM network?
>>
>>Go to: http://www.uniquephones.com and register (registration is
>>free). After you register with uniquephones.com go to
>>http://www.uniquephones.com/dct4/ and you will be able to use the
>>first link where you can just put in your operator (AT&T 31038), model
>>(Nokia 3650) and the IMEI (*#06#) 7 codes will be generated. It's
>>likely that you'll only have to use code #7. You'll enter the code
>>and if successful you'll get the message "SIM restriction off." The
>>codes generated will be in the form #pw+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx+ either
>>1/2/3/4/5/6 or 7 followed by #. To get the p character key * three
>>times rapidly. To get the w character key * four times rapidly. If
>>after entering the code on your phone you get the message "code error"
>>stop! You have entered a wrong code. After multiple entries of the
>>wrong code your phone cannot be unlocked with codes and you'll have to
>>have it flashed to unlock it.
>>
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> To send an email reply send to
>> GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com
>
>
>

>Technically, it is illegal to unlock your phone without the co-operation
>of your service provider.

Technically it is NOT illegal. There is no law addressing the situation - no
law of any kind.

The carriers have taken it upon themselves to lock phones in an effort to
prevent churn. When in fact they should look to the legality of the contract
that you signed when you agreed to that contract.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.) wrote in message news:<20031012193132.15709.00000568@mb-m13.aol.com>...
> >Technically, it is illegal to unlock your phone without the co-operation
> >of your service provider.
>
> Technically it is NOT illegal. There is no law addressing the situation - no
> law of any kind.
>
> The carriers have taken it upon themselves to lock phones in an effort to
> prevent churn. When in fact they should look to the legality of the contract
> that you signed when you agreed to that contract.

Personally, I've never read an AT&T contract, but it's possible that there's
a "no tampering" or modification of equipment clause the customer
"voluntarily" agrees to when signing the contract.

Even accepting that, the fact that the phone can be unlocked by
entering a code via the phone's keypad would seem to imply that
unlocking is a "feature" of the phone, at least IMHO, rather than a
"modification", no different than programming your phonebook into
the phone's memory. AT&T certainly could've had Nokia block the
unlocking feature from the phone firmware if they wished.

Just to let you know, AT&T Wireless does not release their 'code' that
you are talking about. I should know, I work for them.

[posted via phonescoop.com]

In article <de37a2e0.0310131648.17700f00@posting.google.com >,
elecconnec@aol.com (Todd Allcock) wrote:

> sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.) wrote in message
> news:<20031012193132.15709.00000568@mb-m13.aol.com>...

There are several articles on the net that describe unblocking of cell
phones. However, it is my understanding that many phones cannot be
unblocked. The newer GSM phones can usually be unblocked. Google
should lead you to the names of several companies who will sell a
service of unblocking phones. Even these companies cannot unblock many
of the cell phones. Dick


> > >Technically, it is illegal to unlock your phone without the
> > >co-operation
> > >of your service provider.
> >
> > Technically it is NOT illegal. There is no law addressing the situation
> > - no
> > law of any kind.
> >
> > The carriers have taken it upon themselves to lock phones in an effort
> > to
> > prevent churn. When in fact they should look to the legality of the
> > contract
> > that you signed when you agreed to that contract.
>
> Personally, I've never read an AT&T contract, but it's possible that
> there's
> a "no tampering" or modification of equipment clause the customer
> "voluntarily" agrees to when signing the contract.
>
> Even accepting that, the fact that the phone can be unlocked by
> entering a code via the phone's keypad would seem to imply that
> unlocking is a "feature" of the phone, at least IMHO, rather than a
> "modification", no different than programming your phonebook into
> the phone's memory. AT&T certainly could've had Nokia block the
> unlocking feature from the phone firmware if they wished.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:44:59 -0000, Chaotic18@excite.com (Trace
Locknane) wrote:

>Just to let you know, AT&T Wireless does not release their 'code' that
>you are talking about. I should know, I work for them.'

But it's easily obtainable with a DCT4 calculator either stand alone
or through web sites that offer the service (some for free!)

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