In article <MPG.20d12a9eb34094379896b0@news.easynews.com>,
mugwump@gmail.com says...
> In article <xNC9i.680$p8.468@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, news@t-
> onywoolf.co.uk says...
> > "Mugwump" <mugwump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.20d0f6ddf4fd4d709896af@news.easynews.com. ..
> > In article <176uZD2KcidF-pn2-RdYOOKpncs83@rikki.tavi.co.uk>, rde42
> > @spamcop.net says...
> > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:47:33 UTC, "steeler" <nospam@nomail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ISP with 1 month contract. Only drawback would be a £50 activation fee
> > > > each
> > > > time.
> > >
> > > AAISP will transfer the exusting contract to someone else for a pound..
> > >
> > >
> > However, what is to stop the tenant changing to a cheaper provider?
> > Unfortunately tenancy laws give the tenant the right to change
> > providers, regardless of anything in the lease.
> >
> > Seems a bit odd - since the tenant would then be leaving the property in a
> > different condition from the one they found it in. I wonder whether it
> > really applies to short term tenancies. Could you point us in the direction
> > of definitive information?
> >
> >
> My mistake. If it is not explicitly stated in the tenancy agreement that
> the tenant can not change supplier, then he/she would be free to do so
> provided that he informed the Landlord.
>
> However I would think that unless the landlord kept the accounts in his
> name then e.g. changing the phone to the tenant would cause an ADSL
> cease.
>
>
I knew it was somewhere.
OFT consider any term limiting the tenant's right to change utility
supplier as unreasonable.

'Guidance on unfair terms in tenancy agreements' Ch 4 refers.

"Mugwump" <mugwump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20d2191fc2a843819896b2@news.easynews.com. ..

>I knew it was somewhere.
>OFT consider any term limiting the tenant's right to change utility
>supplier as unreasonable.
>
>'Guidance on unfair terms in tenancy agreements' Ch 4 refers.

This is in the list of "potentially unfair terms"
"Against changing the phone or utility supplier"
"The tenant should have the choice of
supplier although he may be required to
keep the landlord informed of any change
and to return the account to the original
supplier at the end of the tenancy. "

Is there a lawyer in the house (not a barrack room one)?

--
Tony W
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In article <Lc8ai.1476$p8.1087@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, news@t-
onywoolf.co.uk says...
> "Mugwump" <mugwump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.20d2191fc2a843819896b2@news.easynews.com. ..
>
> >I knew it was somewhere.
> >OFT consider any term limiting the tenant's right to change utility
> >supplier as unreasonable.
> >
> >'Guidance on unfair terms in tenancy agreements' Ch 4 refers.
>
> This is in the list of "potentially unfair terms"
> "Against changing the phone or utility supplier"
> "The tenant should have the choice of
> supplier although he may be required to
> keep the landlord informed of any change
> and to return the account to the original
> supplier at the end of the tenancy. "
>
> Is there a lawyer in the house (not a barrack room one)?
>
>
uk.legal.moderated seem to believe it is unenforceable
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_u...individual.net

"Mugwump" <mugwump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20d34458c0e498e49896b3@news.easynews.com. ..
> In article <Lc8ai.1476$p8.1087@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, news@t-
> onywoolf.co.uk says...
>> "Mugwump" <mugwump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.20d2191fc2a843819896b2@news.easynews.com. ..
>>
>> >I knew it was somewhere.
>> >OFT consider any term limiting the tenant's right to change utility
>> >supplier as unreasonable.
>> >
>> >'Guidance on unfair terms in tenancy agreements' Ch 4 refers.
>>
>> This is in the list of "potentially unfair terms"
>> "Against changing the phone or utility supplier"
>> "The tenant should have the choice of
>> supplier although he may be required to
>> keep the landlord informed of any change
>> and to return the account to the original
>> supplier at the end of the tenancy. "
>>
>> Is there a lawyer in the house (not a barrack room one)?
>>
>>
> uk.legal.moderated seem to believe it is unenforceable
> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_u...individual.net

I think that means the landlord's clause in the tenancy agreement is
unenforceable. Not much help.

--
Tony W
My e-mail address has no hyphen
- but please don't use it, reply to the group.

In article <2Jaai.1533$p8.381@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, news@t-
onywoolf.co.uk says...
>
> "Mugwump" <mugwump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.20d34458c0e498e49896b3@news.easynews.com. ..
> > In article <Lc8ai.1476$p8.1087@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, news@t-
> > onywoolf.co.uk says...
> >> "Mugwump" <mugwump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.20d2191fc2a843819896b2@news.easynews.com. ..
> >>
> >> >I knew it was somewhere.
> >> >OFT consider any term limiting the tenant's right to change utility
> >> >supplier as unreasonable.
> >> >
> >> >'Guidance on unfair terms in tenancy agreements' Ch 4 refers.
> >>
> >> This is in the list of "potentially unfair terms"
> >> "Against changing the phone or utility supplier"
> >> "The tenant should have the choice of
> >> supplier although he may be required to
> >> keep the landlord informed of any change
> >> and to return the account to the original
> >> supplier at the end of the tenancy. "
> >>
> >> Is there a lawyer in the house (not a barrack room one)?
> >>
> >>
> > uk.legal.moderated seem to believe it is unenforceable
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?as_u...individual.net
>
> I think that means the landlord's clause in the tenancy agreement is
> unenforceable. Not much help.
>
>
So what was the question? I thought the discussion was whether the OP's
friend (Landlord) could force a tenant to use an ADSL service that was
possibly unsuitable.

IMO most tenants would run a mile if they had to take on a cost, over
and above the rental, that was not vitally necessary. Different kettle
of fish if it formed part of the rental. In that case however, it would
need to stay in the landlord's name and he pay the costs of it.

"Tony" <news@t-onywoolf.co.uk> wrote in message
news:11u9i.398$p8.358@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
>A neighbour is in the UK for about 3 months every year, and for the rest of
>the time they rent their house. Is there any sensible and legal way for
>them to get BB without paying for the whole year? There doesn't seem to
>be any way they could transfer the connection to a tenant while they're
>away, so that they don't breach ISP terms and don't take responsibility for
>what their tenant does with the connection. At the moment they use dialup
>which is a pain in the neck as they need to research things.
> --
> Tony W
> My e-mail address has no hyphen
> - but please don't use it, reply to the group.
>


Hi,


I guess I am right in surmising that any tenant is on a fixed term short
contract (because the landlord returns and resumes occupancy twice a year,
etc.).

This may give you some additional flexibility, etc. Further, if screening
tenants you can pick someone reasonable or happy with the provision
envisaged, etc.


Best wishes,



News Reader

In article <TcFai.12343$J15.10472@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
some@where.com.invalid says...
>
> "Tony" <news@t-onywoolf.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:11u9i.398$p8.358@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> >A neighbour is in the UK for about 3 months every year, and for the rest of
> >the time they rent their house. Is there any sensible and legal way for
> >them to get BB without paying for the whole year? There doesn't seem to
> >be any way they could transfer the connection to a tenant while they're
> >away, so that they don't breach ISP terms and don't take responsibility for
> >what their tenant does with the connection. At the moment they use dialup
> >which is a pain in the neck as they need to research things.
> > --
> > Tony W
> > My e-mail address has no hyphen
> > - but please don't use it, reply to the group.
> >
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I guess I am right in surmising that any tenant is on a fixed term short
> contract (because the landlord returns and resumes occupancy twice a year,
> etc.).
>
> This may give you some additional flexibility, etc. Further, if screening
> tenants you can pick someone reasonable or happy with the provision
> envisaged, etc.
>
I'm assuming that since he is abroad. he will be using a letting company
to manage his house.

This leads to 2 possible scenarios.

1) The ADSL rental is part of the house rental. This would mean that he
will continue paying for it himself and also, technically, have the
legal responsibility for what it used for. A bit dodgy?

2) It is a seperate agreement on top of the house rental agreement.
Having spoken to my letting company, they would not even consider taking
on a let with this sort of rider.
In this situation the OPs neighbour would have to source the renter
himself. However, a renter with any sense, would not touch a house where
the point of contact is abroad and can't react to problems in a
reasonable time.