Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
them? (legally? ethically?)

Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.

I live in England.
Thx.

On 2008-03-03 14:47:27 +0000, London.Embankment@googlemail.com said:

> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)

Apple aren't relying on revenue share, they're just being greedy and
capitalising on consumers' appetite for the product. I sincerely doubt
they make a loss on the sale of the handset, if they did, I'd imagine
they'd make more of an effort against unlocking, and probably wouldn't
let you leave the store without activating.

As for the ethical side of it, even if Apple did make a loss on the
handset sale, it's their decision to let you walk out of the shop with
the phone without activating it. Your obligation to Apple ends when the
sale completes. Once you've bought the phone, it's your property, and
you can do whatever you want with it, activate it, unlock it, throw it
under a bus, it's up to you.

> Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
> need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
> do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
> can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.

I doubt they'll care; you're paying for the battery replacement, not
looking to do it under warranty or anything. If you're concerned, just
stick a Pay as You Go O2 SIM in there before taking it in.

On 2008-03-03 15:28:11 +0000, Fry <me@privacy.net> said:

> Apple aren't relying on revenue share, they're just being greedy and
> capitalising on consumers' appetite for the product. I sincerely doubt
> they make a loss on the sale of the handset, if they did, I'd imagine
> they'd make more of an effort against unlocking, and probably wouldn't
> let you leave the store without activating.

Quite, they may be cashing in on possible additional revenue from
network fees but there is no way they are selling the iPhone at a loss.

>> Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
>> need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
>> do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
>> can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.

Just restore it back to out of the box standard and they will never
know. Once battery is replaced, return home and unlock again.

I'm running mine on T-Mobile because we only recently abandoned O2
after some appaling account managment by them, nothing would persuade
us to return at the moment.

--
Darren Griffin
PocketGPSWorld - www.PocketGPSWorld.com
The Premier GPS Resource for News, Reviews and Forums

<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)

What has ethics got to do with it?

Jan

In article <1id8t67.1k36z801urxqsoN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
>> them? (legally? ethically?)

>What has ethics got to do with it?

You're feeding the troll.

-- Richard
--
:wq

> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)

I like to think of it this way:

Given the amount of "waste" hardware (such as routers for computers)
that are locked to a specific provider, how unethical is it for them
to continue doing so given the amount of unnecessary waste it will
eventually result in.

<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:2c44198c-dc67-41bb-a926-be1a81052e04@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)

What they do with the network is their business.

They sold you the phone, you paid good money for it, and it is your
property. As long as you don't tamper with the IMEI (specific offence) then
there is not a lot Apple can do, and as regards ethics it is Apple* who need
a lesson in that so **** 'em.


>
> Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
> need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
> do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
> can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.

Whover unlocked it can surely change the battery, but of course it is
another part of the scam to get you to pay loads of money to Apple.

>
> I live in England.
> Thx.
>

3 do naughty things too (like gluing in SIMs), but at least they have a 3G
network to support.




* late 1970's Apple Corp (the Beatles) sue Apple Inc for trading on their
name. At the time this looked feasible because the hobby PC company was
still quite small and the Beatles were still selling loads of records.
Settled in that Apple Inc. agree not to operate in the music market.

Early 90's. by now Apple Inc is much bigger, but gets sued again for
breaching the earlier agreement. IIRC Apple Inc paid damages and definitely
again agreed not to operate in the music market.

Recently. Apple Inc. starts selling IPods and sets up iTunes music sales
operation and gets sued yet again by Apple Corp. By this time two Beatles
are dead and Apple Inc. is now much bigger than Apple Corp, so in the end
they cut a deal rather than slog it out up to the House of Lords.

so ask yourself - what is Apple Inc's word worth?

On Mar 3, 7:35*pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> <London.Embankm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> > them? (legally? ethically?)
>
> What has ethics got to do with it?
>
> Jan

Apple have invested vast sums of money in R&D. In many ways, this is
similar to stealing.

On 2008-03-04, London.Embankment@googlemail.com <London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 3, 7:35*pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>> <London.Embankm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
>> > them? (legally? ethically?)
>>
>> What has ethics got to do with it?
>>
>> Jan
>
> Apple have invested vast sums of money in R&D.

Totally irrelevant.

> In many ways, this is
> similar to stealing.

In no way at all is it stealing, based on how much Apple spent on R&D.

It's almost certainly breach of contract, which is a civil offence, not a
criminal one.

And who cares, anyway? The iPhone is for saddos.


--
"Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
and presumptuous desire for a second one."
[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]

On Mar 3, 2:47 pm, London.Embankm...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)
>
> Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
> need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
> do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
> can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.
>
> I live in England.
> Thx.

What you do with your property that you paid money for is your
business, not the manufacturer's. They can withdraw warranty support
if you take it apart or modify it of course and that's fair enough but
if you're prepared to live with that then taking your iPhone apart or
jailbreaking it is your right.